Hi Gerry. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. I also shot 86. Thanks for posting. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. The average USGA handicap for male golfers has been between 14.0 and 15.0 since 2005. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? That's what I think. [quote name='J.W.' I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted Impressive Combine Score by a 12 year old boy, How to maximize player performance with small changes. Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? For example for a 170 yard shot into the green a quick glance at his iron yardages shows he could decide to play either a three-quarter 8-iron or try to hit a 9-iron as far as he can his max distance for that club. The way forward has to be more tighter averages with the driver maximising my best yardage from the swing speed I have. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] 14* SLDR // Speeder 8.3x It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Please limit the number of items and requests. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. The AMA is capable of carrying the ball much further than his current total distance. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] It's good for some laughs. While the length of the course is an important factor in scoring, more so is the challenging greens and required approach shots. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? Thanks this will help my golf game so much now. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s 2 were over 320. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. #TeamTrackMan With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. 913 HD I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. [/quote] What Irons Do the Pros Use? However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. More importantly, however, Justins time on the course where his mother and father both worked taught him about responsibility, passion, ethics, camaraderie, and hard work. Carry Distance 302.9 Especially the average driving distance data. However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. yfvp
~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. On average PGA Tour pros hit a 3-wood a carry distance of 249 yards. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. More photos from the event here. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Analysis, What Clubs Do LPGA players use? The longest player hits it 320 yards But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. The 58 is versatile in shot options and with the change of grind from D to M I had an increase in performance. There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). So much so that if I'm 220 out, a distance I can reach with a perfect 5 wood, ill hit to 50, pitch, putt, par and drive you insane. Firstly there is really no need to play an 8 iron that long, secondly why on earth would you play nothing but trap draws especially with short iron I'm BARELY 250 off the tee, but I will mop the floor with most from 125 in By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. By [/quote] I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. me too! I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. I'll pass. I cant say I noticed the lower ball flight but this is something that Titleist have worked on gradually for the last few generations. Titleist SM5 52-08 & 58-07 S400's Without such a grant, his family would not have been able to follow his passion. [/quote] TI Taylormade SIM (9.0) Tensei CK Pro Orange 70TX I don't measure my driver distance. I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. When it comes to looking at how far the pros hit their wedges the stock yardage they hit each club is again obviously only one of the multiple yardages they can hit the most versatile clubs in any players golf bag. 6 0 obj
Very interesting but sort of depressing article. Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. What a great read with invaluable data and information. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Driver: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (9 degrees @ 8) Can anyone give me any insight of what all these numbers mean? I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? [/quote] Total Distance Efficiency 2.484 When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees. If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. All that strength comes from the lower body. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. WebPGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. Their drives seem to always go miles and I dont know about you but Im always checking myself to think whether I indeed heard the commentator correctly that they are actually hitting that high an iron for that 200+ yard approach shot. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. Ive hit greens from 210 out with a 20 degree hybrid. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Thanks! 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s Because of the trends and correlations found in the TrackMan Combine data, it is possible to calculate the proximity to hole for nearly any handicap or approach distance with high confidence. [quote name='J.W.' As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Spin Rate 2,645.8 To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search [/quote] My teachers are always trying to get me to change my swing to generate club head speed, but this consistently leaves me frustrated and physically sore. Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. As the previous poster said Im 43 so wont be Bubba Watson anytime soon. any 7 iron data ? And a good part of the reason for that is the average golfer often watches with wonder as the best players on the PGA GolfingFocus.com was created simply as a place to allow us to try and find answers to common golfing questions asked, and problems faced, by all standards of golfer. [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas ! Do you suppose my distance is bs? I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. I would say probably is bs. How Far Should I Hit My Hybrids? My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer We share your golf passion. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340-345. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. Obviously not. link to What Irons Do the Pros Use? I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. This promotes a lower ball flight and is seen by tour players as being a more accurate shot than having the ball float into the air. Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] How can that be true. Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. Top 50 Player Breakdown, What Irons Do LPGA Players Use? I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of It takes a detailed plan and it takes time, and this is why I think the improvement of AMAs isnt as impressive as it could be. Feel free toshare your thoughts and experience in the comment section below. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] 5 Testers Needed! Spin Rate 2,645.8 I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. I have played golf for 22 years. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] I think the average student that I ask tells me that a tour player hits a 6 iron 220 yards. [/quote] The attention to detail from Bob Vokey is extraordinary and you can feel the change in strike as you try many different heads. Club Head Speed 119.55 I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. [/quote] The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X I don't play professional golf. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Does Trackman update this data each year? This course setup for the AMA is assuming a perfectly optimal drive by the golfer so in theory 395 yards would be a maximum length for the AMA based on 50% GIR. [/quote] A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. [/quote] Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. I guess what Im saying is if you dont hit the ball straight consistently and you dont make good, clean contact consistently, it would be silly to focus on things like swing speed/distance. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Justin is that really you?? When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. Unless you're using the ball you play with every round, in the different conditions you play in, the numbers on the Trackman are null and void. FYI I hit my drive 240-250 he often hits is way past me from the whites. There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. Playing golf as early as two-years-old, Justin learned all aspects of the game. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? Greater distancethe eternal quest for golfers. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. They were measured with GPS. Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. Club Speed 113 mph Ball Speed 166 mph Attack Angle -1 deg Launch Angle 12 deg Spin Rate 2298 rpm Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? [quote name='Hamish777' timestamp='1364356541' post='6704153'] Impacting the game through junior golf programs has always been an important part of his charitable giving. Your link has been automatically embedded. I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. It's not the length that makes a pro. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] Overall I cant fault these wedges for an elite player as we are aware of the slight differences of feel at strike, flight and contact with the ground. My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? Shafts: Nippon N.S. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Also, the dispersion for misses will be much wider for the AMA than the professional. I hit a green today which was 163 so pulled a 6 iron landed on back part of the green 10 yds past the flag. I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. [b]Tiger Woods[/b] However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face.
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