The 1858 Remington has safety notches cut into the cylinder in between the nipples, giving the un-cocked hammer a place to rest thats not on a percussion cap. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion I grew up watching all of the old western movies on TBS. ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. WOOD 36 Caliber; 75% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Uberti 1851 Navy 6 shot .36 caliber black powder revolover. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Not to put too fine a point on an excellent review but the Preacher killed Marshal Stockburn at the end. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Check out our forum: My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. First load powder, then press ball. I havent shot black powder in a long time. Once a year I strip them right down to the last screw, wipe the mixture of oil and black powder residue off them,(Never found any rust!) In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. Rolling There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. 1885 Low Wall Manual. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Just my opinion. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Tops all my Glocks, Berrets, Sigs, ARs, AKs etc. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Best of all its FREE, and in abundant supply in most homes!!! In between, he was granted US Patent No. The Cleanest Clean Its Ever Been! I wipe off the parts of the frame with a water dampened rag, to get fouling off the frame, hammer, and the slot in the recoil shield whre the hammer goes through to strike the cap, then use a lightly oiled rag to go over the same places! In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Youre reloaded. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. - 2) a few of the triggergaurd and backstrap screw heads have flaked a bitcosmetic only so far. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. Very nice article on the 1858 Remington. I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. Either way, a good dose of lube also helps keep the black powder fouling moist and pliable, and easier to clean out. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. THE BORE HAS GOOD RIFLING. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Now, if only I could get my wife to come with me and reload.oh well. My very first Cap & Ball Revolver was replica of aaan1860 Colt Army Revolver. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. Anyone know of a cylinder made for it? WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. You have the names confused. Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. 1873 Rifle Manual. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Someone asked why they are called .44s if they take a .452 or .454 ball. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion You are to be congratulated in Choosing the BEST designed Black Powder Percussion revolver on the Market! The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. Lock needs attention, hammer won't hold., s/n 346xx. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. It required something Long and thin, preferably with a hook at its end, to fish the Mashed and Mangled remains of the cap, out of the Innards of the gun, before Battle could once more be joined! There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. I had a few ASMs in the very early days. Gauge: 44 percussion. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun! Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. Great article. I have guns I bought from them as long ago as 2001, and they are all beautiful. 1883 Burgess Manual. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). BORE IS FAIR. Then little oil and you are set. SOLD Easier to load and clean. This version features improved accuracy. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. percussion caps are NOT standard size. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Retail $300. A few years ago the trigger just wore out. Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. Any help would be appreciated. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Having an issue with my pietta 44 cal. I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. That's your build date. .44 Cal percussion. Didn't happen though. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. If you see one for sale someplace, check it out carefully before you buy. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. Mausers, Lee Enfields, Mosins, Krags etc. 1860 Henry Manual. For Civil War pistoleros the best way to rapidly reload any cap-and-ball revolver, including the 1858, was to carry several of them, like this other guya Confederate guerilla from Missouri. Rolling Not to mention that shooting 58 Remington reproduction is just an absolute hoot. Not that theres anything wrong with that. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. At the poor fellows Autopsy! To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! I have an ASM Colt clone. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. All smokeless powder and paper free. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". Big thump, big cloud, and I could see the huge rounds hitting the berm when I was spotting through binoculars. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. This was very helpful, Im thinking about buying one of these pistols and this gave a lot of information about the pistol and the of it. BRASS TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP ASSEMBLY. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Cleaned properly, and loaded properly, a Remington Style Percussion Revolver, can be as reliable as a modern Cartridge gun. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. They refused to talk with the others. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. New in Box-never fired. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. Cimarron Thunderer and hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? They were based primarily on the early 1st. Later David. Bah! You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. 1873 Single Action Manual. The patent date is 1858. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! He took the gun back. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? The percussion caps are a standard size. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. 1860 Henry Manual. How consistent are Uberti cap and ball revolver parts? In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. One, an 1851 clone was built of the same parts produced by Uberti when they built the Colt "2nd Gen" percussion revolvers. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 Black powder is scary in the beginning. One can shoot all day on a pittance. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. .44 Cal percussion. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. stan wayback Loved the pics too. Bore in very good condition with surface corrosion, however the barrel is bulged slightly. Bore and stock in very good condition, rear sight is missing and front sight is loose. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. Lock functions well, trigger 44 Caliber; 96% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Pietta 1851 Navy .44 caliber black powder 6 shot revolver. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. I am very pleased with what i got. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of It was Assistant District Attorney Ben Stone that shot LaHood. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. No rust on my guns! Remington with 40 grains. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS MINISCULE HANDLING WEAR. Walnut stock. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. Actions 44 BP; 60% blue, fair bore, fair grips, 7.75'' barrel, Made in Italy. I shoot them once in a while for old times' sake, and have loaned them out many times, with no problems. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & LaHood was put down by the miner the Preacher had been helping using a buffalo gun at about 5 yards. While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. I got to fire a few cap and ball revolvers when on holiday in Italy. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. .. when I first tried sass back in the nineties this brand was Quite popular .. now that Ive returned to sass after ten plus year, never here or see any thing , Just curious mostly as they been sit in in my safe for over ten years.. they were fun to shoot for someone who couldn't afford real guns like me STAN. Thank God I had my Reminton. re-grease, assemble, and go shoot for another year! The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? Do put grease in each chamber after loading. Actually, percussion caps come in slightly different sizes, as do nipples. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. Got one of each. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. The only thing I don't like about it is that the very tip of the trigger is a little "sharp" compared to a real Colt, and if you try to spin it, it is a little uncomfortable on your finger. All three of my BP weapons took the same size cap. Selleck also used a Winchester 1876, and there are various Winny models all over town. My dad bought one of these (pretty sure its the same thing) with an 8 barrel. My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. View cart for details. About 400 ft-lbs Energy. Type: Revolver. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. True for the 1873 and any other revolver deaigned to fire cartridges. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. Cimarron Thunderer and Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. well, few years ago I visited a gun shop in Brescia "Palmetto" and I was looking for the double gun they were selling (Chaparral Sidebyside) . ). While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. THE .44 Spec. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. I know! Oil finished walnut stock with 44 BP; 97% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Perfect for display and target shooting. 1876 Rifle Manual. Lightning Manual. WOODEN GRIPS ARE NEAR MINT 45 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, REPRODUCTION KENTUCKY PERCUSSION PISTOL. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 THSS TSRA NRA Life Both sets of these .38 revolvers seem just a bit smaller in the grips and frames than the ASM .45's. It could not be made to run. Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. I also had 2 spare cylinders. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. But that same design made the Remington more robust than the Colts and also gave the advantage of rapid cylinder swapping. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. This version features improved accuracy. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. To avoid the dreaded chain fire, find caps that fit tightly on your nipples. No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! In my opinion, I don t think its enough. Many, many thanks for making this information public. THINNING VISIBLE ON BARREL NEAR MUZZLE. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . I like to put some Bore Butter into the mouth of each cylinder on top of each ball. So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. 1866 Rifle Manual. This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. . They fit just about any cap and ball firearm. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. 1885 High Wall Manual. It would sure be cool to see a review of the Colt competitors